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Michael

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May 4, 2008 20:10
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  In my battle against Skulkraken which finished just now I seem to have lost the battle despite having more tiles at the end of it. I believe the final score was 34-31 my way after I brought it down from 34-40 with chaotic sphere and two thiefs. After I'd used the specials it said the battle was over due to all actions having been performed and that Skulkraken was the winner. Perhaps I missed something but when I saw the preview of my final action it said that I was in the lead.
Afiag

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May 4, 2008 21:37
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  He didn't kill all your monsters did he? It is the top condition for winning, besides a retreat..
  
Build a man a fire, and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.
MintMan

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May 4, 2008 22:14
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  Results file for the fight sez:
Skulkraken	Michael32

  31 34
  8 10
Figs was correct; you had three mo' tiles, but all ten of yo' thangs was dead. * gives Afiag a virtual Pie which is much less delicious than an actual pie but still *
  
  Did the final results say you were winning or in the lead, 'cause there is a difference. I'm pretty sure that li'l thing down there takes kills into account since I know it always tie-breakers.
  
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Skulkraken

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May 7, 2008 24:02
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  Yeah, the auto-win if you knock out all the monsters your opponent sends out is the main reason I send out monsters that damage whoever defeats them, like Virsenti, whenever I get the chance. I always aim for winning that way, instead of trying to keep ahead in tiles.
MintMan

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May 7, 2008 1:17
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  Yeah, but if the opponent hits 'em with something resistant to Toxic (or just wipes out Virsenti's tiles another way, which prolly ain't too hard for Tox and Chaos), then that way sorta fails. Or healing special moves. That'll screw over that strategy, too.
  
  Also, unless you are currently ahead on tiles, you're considered losing, thus prompting no actions from your opponent, so no matter what, you'll have to aim for tiles (at least until you get to the end of the fight).
Skulkraken

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May 7, 2008 1:56
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  Yes...well... few, if any, people I've battled against so far have used healing moves. (Like a certain Mints...) I'm sticking to it mainly because it's the only strategy that's actually worked reliably for me so far. If my opponent doesn't send out the rest of his monsters when I'm behind in tiles, can I still win if I knock out all the enemies on the field?
  
  Right now, I'm just trying to figure out a way for my currently all-nymph army to beat Gobbo's minions. They just seem to dang hardy for me to take on right now. Where do you people keep getting HappyKillers, anyway?
  
  [Edited by Skulkraken on May 7, 2008 2:03]
Afiag

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May 7, 2008 7:54
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  We don't keep getting them. They were a 12Days gift, and you would get a set of nine HappyKillers. You must not have paid much attention to christmas. Boggle "Nine killers a'smiling..!" That combined with the little Shadow Aura symbol is pretty irresistible.
  
  And the way to beat Gobbs is to have a specific balance of select troop types. Mature monsters wouldn't hurt, but you don't need them if you're good enough or lucky enough. It's not so much that his monsters are hardy, it's the facts that his captain is a Virsenti, and then his both nymph and mature Lunacrits which undo damage and protect, respectively.
  * uses ShadowTorent on Skulkraken *
  
"Before you judge someone, walk a mile in their shoes."
  That way, when you do judge them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
  
  [Edited by Afiag on May 7, 2008 7:55]
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MintMan

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May 7, 2008 9:37
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  On May 7, 2008 1:56, Skulkraken said:
If my opponent doesn't send out the rest of his monsters when I'm behind in tiles, can I still win if I knock out all the enemies on the field?
You can win, but you'll be far behind the one-to-one troop placement ratio, which is ideal for killin'. You'll have to plan on:
  1. Being able to perform at multiple kills with at least one monster (although probably more), and
  2. The enemy not killing all ten of your monsters (which is easy to do when ahead), thus giving them the victory instead.

  Never said the ten-kill wasn't a good strategy, but it certainly isn't a perfect one. I (and Gobbs) still adhere to the do-good-in-every-respect philosophy. Still, your strategy -- which is a strategy -- is better than other players lack of any.
  
  
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Lugiatrainer

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May 7, 2008 18:32
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  Hey, I have strategy, I just have trouble remembering to check on battles, or my email, or...uh... Sweat Drop * uses Heal on Skulkraken *
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Dragon_Kirby

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May 11, 2008 12:17
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  Yeah, I just, uh, miss the deadline occasionally. Does 'lots of Unscur' count as a strategy?
  
  * creates a Lamp *
  
MANGO!
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MintMan

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May 11, 2008 12:46
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  As long as the enemy doesn't use Chaos or Light monsters... or anything resistant to Chaos or Shock.
  
  I know whenever I fight you, all I do is pack that stuff since "lot of Unscurs" is all you ever seem to do. Not exactly difficult to counter... when you do it every time.
  
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Dragon_Kirby

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May 11, 2008 13:48
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  Eh, the little guys are kinda cute. I, uh, occasionally have a few other monsters in there.
  
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Afiag

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May 11, 2008 19:34
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  Mostly one species? Tsk. Yeah.. in your ongoing battle with me, half of your monsters are Unscur. 1 or 2 Unscur would be fine. Diviniras and Inferigna are good too. But only if you use them right. As in, if you can help it, only place them in reach of a good place to use their ability.
  
  And,of course, the worst mistake to make in battle is to continuously use the same strategy.
  
Build a man a fire, and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he's warm for the rest of his life.
  
  [Edited by Afiag on May 11, 2008 19:59]
Lugiatrainer

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May 11, 2008 19:54
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  Yeah, a single Divinira general should thrash a lot of your Unscurs just by BEING THERE, not to mention the areas you wouldn't be able to attack
  
  * uses Steal on Dragon_Kirby's Lamp *
MintMan

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May 11, 2008 21:29
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  Gobbs once pointed out how no monster with the "Shadow Darts" ability (click in range to drain) is able to target Light tiles, so yeah, a Divvy would certainly massacre. * uses Bless because it is all lightly-like *
  
  One-species armies are a funny thing. A well-balanced opponent will win pretty much every time, but if that well balanced opponent has one weakness, and that army happens to be that weakness, screwedness ensues. It has happened to me before, somehow overloading entire gaps in my offense.
  
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Dragon_Kirby

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May 12, 2008 6:58
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  Ongoing battle with Afiag?
  
  Oh, hey yeah. I'm not even losing as badly as you'd expect.
  
  * creates a Flashlight *
  
COOKIE!
  
  
  [Edited by Dragon_Kirby on May 12, 2008 7:20]
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Afiag

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May 13, 2008 9:16
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  Heh, not for long.
  
  * uses DragonDance on Dragon_Kirby*
  That's for the stupid Entropy ability that will likely screw me over.
  
"Before you judge someone, walk a mile in their shoes."
  That way, when you do judge them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
  
  [Edited by Afiag on May 13, 2008 9:20]
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Lugiatrainer

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May 13, 2008 9:59
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  Woah, woah, woah... I just won by default at Wildscape, but I lost all the creatures I'd recruited there!
  Edit: At least I think I lost them all, I'd recruited all new ones for that battle, I have the message about winning by default, and 9 'lost new recruit's, with any 10th bumped down, I can't remember what I numbers I recruited or what my army's numbers were beforehand, so I can't be sure I don't still have one of them.
  
  [Edited by Lugiatrainer on May 13, 2008 10:03]
Afiag

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May 13, 2008 13:56
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  Well, 9 would make sense if you brought a general in.
  Aha... I think something like that happened to me a long time ago.. Apparently you don't keep new recruits if there's no battle. Otherwise, we could just challenge all the inactive people, wait 5 days, and fill our ranks cheaply. Well.. The lower ranks could anyhow.
  
Dade: [On the phone] "Norman? This is Mr. Eddie Vedder, from Accounting. I just had a power surge here at home that wiped out a file I was working on. Listen, I'm in big trouble, do you know anything about computers?
  
  Norm [Security guard]: "Uhhmmm... uh gee, uh..."
  
  Dade: "Right, well my BLT drive on my computer just went AWOL, and I've got this big project due tomorrow for Mr. Kawasaki, and if I don't get it in, he's gonna ask me to commit Hari Kari...
  
  Norm: "Uhhh.. ahahaha..."
  
  Dade: "Yeah, well, you know these Japanese management techniques. (pause) Could you, uh, read me the number on the modem?
MintMan

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May 13, 2008 18:45
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  Good to see that even after a brief inactivity (well, brief in RE's book, anyway), everyone can still hop on the off-topic wagon! * brings forth an OldSchoolSteed on Lugiatrainer with a wagon for pulling purposes *
  
  Anyhoozily doozle, Afiag is right. Well, mostly right, anyway. You gotta fight to get your troops. There is actually very little impact from losing such recruits as they don't get any experience from the fight, anyway.
  
  The main, overlooked reason, however, is an anti-cheating mechanism. Whether stagnation or retreating (mostly retreating, however) before a battle begins would be a prime way for friends or just a single multiple-accounter to rack up a sizable army.
  So that's why that is.
  
In the zone, and out of his mind.
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