That almost depends, Draggy. Generally, I think the situation would be beneficial, but I'm sure Ems would say that it probably would be about the same or worse.
If you were able to get the guy down last, he would get the advantage of no defeat-related-wounds, but you'd have to make sure that his pattern would get maximum saturation and at least one kill on the enemies to make the wound amount for being placed (yes, being brought into a battle gives you some and being just placed adds more, regardless of whether you are hit or not, in case it was not said before or, more likely, it was not read before) counterbalanced by the score received.
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msanis
Posts: 454
Member #7
May 15, 2005 9:33
Hmmm... ya know... that DOES make sense Minty. Its just... that TAKES SO LONG. Now what you COULD do, to speed up the process (and also insure your victories, as according to what you said... losing monsters in the stands get nothing.), is to have two seperate kinds of troops. You would have the kind that power-level to level 2 (thus being short-lived), and then you'd have the others you'd be raising to "Elder" status (level 3) over a long period of time (and wins). It is difficult to win with many troops not actually acting in battle. So to do this... you'd need a good team of level 2s... which would act... while the ones you train for level 3 would just sit and do nothing for the battle. So... you'd basically level up your "kill-off team", and make a few teams entirely comprised of level twos... which would win, and thus help level up the "elder" monster. WIERD strategy... but it would be possible...
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MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
May 17, 2005 17:07
Oh no.... nononononono, Sanis. You cannot plan on getting an Elder. You just have to be one lucky bastard.
Not-using troops is just a fact of the game. An enemy leaves, or you win really big -- your troops go unused and thus very happy. They get a good ratio, and all is well.
You cannot raise a monster solely on this. I am just saying it is nigh-impossible to do it without this method producting at least some wound-alleviation.
As for Draggy, no. Good friggin' blork, man! Why the Hel would you place a troop unless to get in the lead? Never do that, for this situation or for any other (unless you are trying a field-blanketing strategy).
Will they get points? Yes. You get points for every tile conquered, enemy hit, and enemy killed. Will it offset the wound ratio? Hel no. Even unkilled -- as I said -- nothing beats keeping it unused.
I think it is five or ten wound points for being placed. This means that you would have to rack-up fifty or one hundred points to make this a better ratio than not using a troop.
Excluding monster that beat a lot of troops, this rarely happens.
I suppose it would be possible to make it worth it if your troop could get its maximum pattern down, and it would also need to have no specials to reduce the number of tiles it could claim. Even then, it would be a close shot (I think it is five score for every tile taken, but don't hold me to that).
The bigger mystery is why you would not want your enemy to retreat? Retreating is good. If there are no actions left, bask in the fact that you won't have that place invaded again until the enemy retreats or is forced to.
I mean, here people are complaining about how many battles they have to get in, and now you come and say that you are trying to get into more No sense much?
Dragon_Kirby
Posts: 192
Member #226
May 17, 2005 17:27
Is there a way to tell how many wounds a monster has, or if it's close to dying? I recently lost 3 (on the plus side 2 others leveled up).
*trying to get all newbie questions out of the way as soon as possible* They seem to anger you MintMan
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draggy1234
Posts: 486
Member #97
May 17, 2005 18:26
Dragon_Kirby, I don't think there is a visible gauge or anything like that sort relating to a troop's wound count. You'll probably have to guesstimate based on how many times your troop has been defeated, had its tile pattern overlapped, etc.
Yeah, I guess I'm the odd one trying to be as active in battles as possible. The thing is, I've mainly been wanting to do so just to raise score for certain troops. I had a "to save" list with certain troops on it that I wanted to keep away from the battlefield so that they wouldn't rack up as many wounds and hopefully live long enough to become elders. So I've been sending out troops pretty much daily to attack other areas. One problem is now I'm almost out of reserve troops, so I may have to start splitting some of my existing battalions just to get into more action.
...At least, that was what I was planning before this recent discussion came up. Now I think only one Ardranipuls in my army has the best chance, since it had 10 straight wins without being deployed on the field at all. All my other troops have been deployed and/or been in a loss/retreat. I guess maybe my plans were a little wierd.
Speaking of wierd, I can't seem to withdraw my battalion from H'Dal. The resulting page just shows up with the line "draggy1234 is marching out of H'Dal".
MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
May 18, 2005 12:46
Do you own any lands around it? 'Cause you can only withdraw troops if you have a place to put them.
Remember that TSC was purposefully made with the intent to prevent troops from returning to reserves. If there were a way to have a defeated battalion not go back there, I would be all over it. It is quite unrealistic to have troops magically transport across the map, especially when the map is a large part -- the largest -- of the game.
With just the same intent, there is no wound gauge. I do this to crush people's hope. If you know someone is about to keel over, you may start to act different, trying to save them for those few more points until leveling up.
Nope. Death will be a surprise. And funny to me
Speaking of death, has anyone had any Level Twos die yet? Once one does, the rest will follow in a wave.
And if you reply with "No, I haven't had any Level Twos die," I shall personally turn all of your army into those little crossbone icons that used to be placeholders for defeated troops. Just say if you have had them die; not if you haven't.
Lymfada
Posts: 187
Member #214
May 18, 2005 15:27
Mint you crack me up, so I guess I wont say I have not had any lvl 2s die. But then I took a vacation from game until you put the battle extender thinggy in.
Lym
What does not kill you makes you stronger
Cheetarius
Posts: 353
Member #10
May 18, 2005 19:47
I think I lost a L2 Dok and a L2 Unscur a ways back, hence the new recruits in mmy army. Other than that, they all seem to be holding out...
- Cheetarius, The Jobless and Easily Aggravated Feline
LieutenantEagle
Posts: 953
Member #27
May 18, 2005 23:18
I shall refrain from answering the given question also because I fear the crossbones of doom
...Digressing off the topic, shouldn't the World Map have an "Uncontested and Unprotected Lands" thing for convenience? I've been quite angry searching for a place to fight and seeing that 85% of the Uncontested Lands list is Safe Areas.
Draggy, to understand what has happened, you invaded my former land of H'dal (no need to hide it anymore, I'm probably going to lose all of my territorial possessions soon anyway), you murdalized my battalion, and you left? Veni, vidi, dormivi, is it not?...Just kidding.
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Cheetarius
Posts: 353
Member #10
May 24, 2005 24:17
Scratch my last - I just counted everything up, and I've lost ONE monster - a L3 Unscur that had been my general before I switched to a new one. And thas it... is my account messing up or something? Because I know I've been doing a lot of battling.
-Cheetarius
"Don't wake me from the dream..."
Dragon_Kirby
Posts: 192
Member #226
May 25, 2005 16:47
*ahem*
"Your army can only have one general at a time; changing generals will cause the old one to be entirely lost."]
* uses Strike on Cheetarius * Read these things first, it's right down there under the word "General"
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[Editted by Dragon_Kirby on May 25, 2005 16:49]
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MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
May 25, 2005 17:16
Cheet already knew that. * with much retribution, uses LandSmite on Dragon_Kirby 'cause he ain't payin' attention * He was just surprised that was his only death, as he then mentioned.
Cheet ain't a newb; he knows the cost of general switchin' as death (or disasperance at least) and thus why he mentioned it as his only death-like thus far.
In reply to Cheet, it isn't the quantitiy of battling that determines if you level or die; it is the quality of battling, or the lack thereof.
There was an X factor I had not considered quite when working out The Death -- really bad people. I accounted for n00bs not acting and doin' all other sorts of crazy stuff so that the game could go on, but I never did quite figure how much troops would have to benefit by being suckled on such mo-rons.
I am heavily considering knocking another bit off the death count for level ones and only level ones. I am still content that this problem will not come up with level twos, even if one does fight n00bs the majority of the time.
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Dragon_Kirby
Posts: 192
Member #226
May 25, 2005 19:24
*pain* ;-; Well is it my fault his post wasn't very clear? *wonders exactly how the attack Landsmite works* I have no idea how I've been hurt
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MANGO!
Cheetarius
Posts: 353
Member #10
May 26, 2005 1:38
Hrm. I've just racked up a whole slew of questions, but I'm pretty sure the majority of them I can answer by checking the text on the pages. Next Q is: when are you gonna get done with your battle at Crying Sky? ^^; I have to have a showdown with you sometime, and I need Crying Sky to make Royle my first Safe. Hurry up so I can get in there with my General free.
And since I've got to ask a real question now, are you considering any kind of ranking system for Shadora, Minty? Usually you've got this figured out, so I'm kinda curious as to what we should do to get on a list like that. I know lands controlled would be one, but maybe there's something else, like number of battles won or something.
And if there isn't going to be a ranking system, just ignore me... -Cheetarius
"Don't wake me from the dream..."
MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
May 26, 2005 12:05
There already is going to be a ranking system; it is mentioned quite often. I blame everyone else for not talking for those three weeks and thus making every forget what was said so that it need be restated now... losers
Rank has absolutely nothing to do with battle. The list is entirely temporal; only the now matters. It is determined entirely by lands controlled and broken by number of safe or adjacent lands.
As for taking Crying Sky, yeah-freakin'-right I have lost only one of my lands thus far, and it was 'cause I didn't get to check it before midnight. In fact, 'twas one I mentioned in the beginning of this post!
I am expecting to lose Whall, but then, I never thought I would even win that one. My western empire is taken with no seriously.
The plains, however, are mine
Cheetarius
Posts: 353
Member #10
May 26, 2005 14:21
I gotta hope, right? I haven't had a single Safe yet, and I've been doing okay so far. If I can get my General in, mebbe I can scrape a victory. Doubtful, but I want Crying Sky. My eventual goal is to take the Untamed back and make it a Safe, b/c it has such an effin cool name. - Cheetarius LITE, The New & Improved Version, now with Less Caloric Intake!...
Ash10
Posts: 435
Member #3
May 26, 2005 16:09
Lucky bastards. I have one land, Avashire, and I am attacking another one. That is all I have, I have no chance of getting a "safe" land, specially since I only have about 6 lvl 2's and the rest are lvl 1's.
I kept losing because of that midnight thing, so I gave up for a couple weeks. But now that battles get extended, I can actually play again. It seems that unlike some people, I actually have a life so I couldn't be at my computer at exactly midnight to get that last move in. Darn.
Anyway, thanks for putting that thing in Mint, now I can play the game again. And, Dragon_Kirby...give up Grevja's Scar! It was orignally mine and I want it back!
LieutenantEagle
Posts: 953
Member #27
May 26, 2005 18:29
Yes, Ash...a land that used to be mine, for that matter..grr...
...now that my aquatic mini-dominion has been maxi-shattered, I guess I'll just have to seek retribution in the areas where my Bitheleths and Mykanids can seek revenge...
*greedily eyes Avashire but remembers the don't-attack-a-land-you-lost threat*
Um, Dragon_Kirby...how does LandSmite work? Simple, it's a part of FtRPG, as is the below:
* uses LuckyAura on Dragon_Kirby to prove the usefulness of FtRPG *
Read more on it if you want to learn more - also known as the handy "Help" link at the top of the page.
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MadGoblin
Posts: 1515
Member #2
May 26, 2005 18:57
A-ha! Oh, Ashie-boy, that won't work. Dragon Kirby has his mind set on that western coast. Why, he relently attacked and, more horribly, failed to win my areas there so many times that I took his only stake to that land in hopes of detering him from fighting there.
... it didn't work, needless to say. I normally wouldn't mind, but all of my people have long since leveled up, and now there are just being worn. Kinda annoying.
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Dragon_Kirby
Posts: 192
Member #226
May 26, 2005 21:28
NEVA! My first land i ever won was Avashire, (then lost to LE...who lost it to Ash) And Gobbo is right, I have relentlessly attacked that area ever since, and Yay for wearing, I just got some Divinaras to replace the ones I lost so that battalion is packed again
But seriously, I plan to continue to relentlessly attack there, if i can't beat you out, I shall annoy you out
P.S. I meant, How does the attack work, Did Minty think of these things as actual attacks or just a cool name?
