I think the Illusionist class has the Summon skill, but I don't think I've seen an "Animal" skill anywhere, but I forget.
I don't really remember all of the stuff that the Mage's learn. It would stink if you had to go all the way out of the Mage classes to get animal, though.
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MadGoblin
Posts: 1515
Member #2
Sep 9, 2004 10:01
Oh, it stinks alright.
I'd say the fastest way to get your squirrelie skills would be by going into the "priest" skills, but in quotation marks for it hardly is that priestly at all.
All the nature people are in there, Druids, ... um... druids... Plus, the priestlies get all the wacky stuff.
I think Summoner might be a class, tho', and, if it is, it should have the junk you need.
Heal/Restore recovers ten points if the target can be restored by five points as restore acts first. On a Cursed/Blessed target, it is the same as using a Strike/Blast (that is, seven damage).
Also, don't learn every frickin' thing available to you! Learn only what you want and combine in a hurry. Having too many tokens lying around actually weigh down your learn-ability.
Also remember that you can switch-up your learn list by selecting something from the left and selecting what to replace on the right. You have to learn Combine a lot in order to get big techs in a hurry.
Ice
Posts: 411
Member #46
Sep 10, 2004 12:11
YOU CAN... *WHAT*!?
Oh ****. Hell no. Was this ever mentioned before!?
Blargh. I'm about 87% certain that I never heard or saw anything related to being able to switch thems out. Crikey. I wish I woulda known that earlier.
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boyachi
Posts: 1161
Member #92
Sep 10, 2004 12:38
Hey, I agree with Ice! What about that bloody blank token? GAAAH!
I think I wanna do a heal/restore/dance/song/haste tech:InterpretiveDance
I mean...if you song a dance, you are dancing twice...I have no idea. I'll just do it anyway, AND NONE OF YOU CAN STOP ME!* uses the technique Rave on MintMan for not bringing up this simple info earlier * Raving does not require my feet. Mwa hahahaha. Ow.
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MadGoblin
Posts: 1515
Member #2
Sep 10, 2004 13:14
*::Since he asked for it, throw stop boyachi *
Well, hey, it was good enough.
Okay, first off, boyo: Song is one of those "last to ack" things, meaning it would take place just prior to any striking/blasting/stat mod/condition placing. So, you wouldn't dance twice, you'd just act twice with every "step" of the dance. It about boils down to the same thing, methinks, in the end, but it is technically done the said way, just fer yer infermerter
And, now I'm certain Ems spoke of the tech-list-changing before, as he did mention it when people were complaining about Blank, telling 'em to get it off their list and whatnot. Of course, it may have been said in a fashion that was hard to recognize as the Mint does like to speak in riddles.
"Why don't you die, you ****in' ******!!!" I'm still having trouble solving that one
... more techage!
MightyTankard
Shadow Water Wood Spirit Heal Cure Bottle
WickedSceptre
Construct Spirit Disrupt Dispel Blast Forge
boyachi
Posts: 1161
Member #92
Sep 10, 2004 21:50
Ya know...ya can't edit someone's post to see what they said in the first place...that a-stinks. Really I think that there should be a superultra cool radiate tech that one could learn(radiate in M:TG targeted EVERYTHING, including you and your stuff, well all legal targets)Then you could bless everyone! Woah, I ran out of tech time...that stinks...I haven't done that in a long time! Oh the fond memories.
Someone has got to make the ShiningFinger tech. Like Construct/fire/blast/song or something to that extent.
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MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
Sep 10, 2004 22:32
Yeah... the Omni Token was one of the originals slated to be made.... but there were a lot of problems with one.... one being that it rocked beyond all compare and thus was incredibly unfair.
But, yeah, I did mention the relearn thing before. I mean, I remember because I said that you could not replace your currently gaining but only the ones slotted next on your list.... foos.
And, yeah, the orders of Dance and Song have long been explained. Dance takes priority over everything except for Bottle, so you Dance out dual actions.
But the most important thing to is is actually put a freakin' colon in your tech usage. * uses the technique LandSmite on MadGoblin for always freakin' forgetting the colon, yo! *
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Ice
Posts: 411
Member #46
Sep 11, 2004 2:05
So I'm curious... when exactly is this stuff supposed to actually take place? The special gainage and the like, that is. My other question, is will we be getting this giganteous bonus all at once, or will we be able to use techs in between to negate the learning penalties and the like. Or will it be more like the old days of when me and Boyachi broke the system and suddenly had a token per post?
I'll also make some more fun techs. My previous ones were all based upon wanting the either hit the **** outta someone, or heal the **** outta yourself. Always fun things, right?
Question on this one: Summon + Transform. Would this mean that you could actually ID yourself and become targettable only by that ID? Or would you simply be targettable by both the ID and your own name? Or... what?
BlizzardHaste, Water, Wind, Light, Blast, Disrupt, Slow, Range
FlyHaste, Wind, Animal, Strike, Break, Trap, Range
IceBarrierEarth, Water, Light, Construct, Guard, Ward, Weak, Dull, Cure, Range
I'd do more, but I'm fresh out by now.
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boyachi
Posts: 1161
Member #92
Sep 11, 2004 14:38
oh...that switching out. That makes sense. I knew you could do that. Still...I have yet to figure out how learning change twice could not be faster than learning blank, since it takes 5 times longer to learn. Lets see... change twice, or four if you have to go back to adventurer, then theto get the tech. The MAX is five. But then you do have to get back to where you were. Hmm...still would have liked it only four times longer.
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Battalon127
Posts: 753
Member #25
Sep 11, 2004 14:43
Well, I feel entirely stupid now, however I only have ten tokens, exactly how much would that slow me down, if at all. (I seem to remember something about having some without having too many actually being a good thing, learning-wise. Maybe not, but either way, I'm waiting till fire is done gaining, then I'll reduce my token list a bit with some combine-age.
* fabricates a colon ** gives MadGoblin a colon so he has no excuse to forget another one * Aye, maybe I shouldn't've given away me colon. Toxic...wastes...building...in...body...
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MadGoblin
Posts: 1515
Member #2
Sep 11, 2004 14:47
Dammit! I can always swear when I look back at the post that the text is properly input and is actually taking place. Why does that always happen!? * To amend own stupidity, throws a virtual stop at boyachi *
And, um, I think it was Boyo , how 'bout we stay away from the techs or whatnot that are poor homage to sucky things? * vomits all over M:TG, for it deserves it * I mean, blech! Just looking at a single card confuses me enough, and that game got jumbled up over how many years? Yep, all techs should be completely original. ... 'cept this one:
StairwayToHeaven
Heaven (Fire Water Earth Wind Construct Wood Spirit Animal Light) Heal Restore Cure Bless Song Summon
Prolly entirely crappy, but oh so cool.
And, um, Ice... quick Q: why does a Blizzard make you faster?
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MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
Sep 11, 2004 15:43
Because he's an idiot.... prolly
Okay, Manifest (Transform/Summon) has been discussed in slight detail before, but not really anything that anyone could understand since the thing was so new at the time.
When you Manifest, you do summon a new ID to the field. However, this ID also happens to share just about everything you do. You are two seperate being for all intensive purposes. For example, a Channel token would have to target your summon ID in order to hijack it, but if either are attacked, the damage goes to the same place -- you.
For giving up the free hits inherit with a summon, Manifesting allows your summon to last a longer amount of time. Manifestation is actually one of the primary uses of the Transform token.
Blank gets its jollies from not only saving you from the hassle of having to select through all those things to class-change through, but also because it allows you to get a token from somewhere clear on the other side of the map (which can take more than five moves), especially when you consider you only get one penalty for learning the Blank token instead of having it re-applied time and time again for each change.
Not combining tokens is a good thing in that it does not give you a tech penalty. See, you get penalized for every token you own and every tech you own. Think of it as FtRPG's way of tracking your level; it does so by however many tokens and techs you have.
Although the token penalty is much smaller than the penalty for having a combined technique, one usually has much more than a few tokens.
You cannot really get around having techniques as they are the core of the game, and that penalty is not meant to be avoided. However, there is little point to balling up hordes of tokens uncombined. You are just going to combine them sooner or later (hopefully; unless it is something you are holding onto largely as a pre-req token), so get rid of them sooner, and you will usually save.
Now, keep in mind that combining a bunch of techniques that have only two tokens in each of them would not help at all. However, if you are about to try to learn a technique that has, oh, say seven tokens in it that are all in your current class or an up-coming one, keep combining them into a tech so that they are not slowing you down. Otherwise, you will have seven tokens applying to each of the combines you have to learn to whittle that list down instead of only the one you are combining with the combine token at any given instant.
I hope that was as long and boring for you as it was for me.
If you didn't read all that, this is all you really need to know: FtRPG was not made to be tricked or with any real system to master. It was made in such a way that the best thing to do is make techniques that you are going to use. Don't hold out and use pathetic lone tokens; have fun with it, man!
As for when all those boni are coming, freakin' let off me, man! I just got my internet connection back two days ago, and already you are hounding me. I am still trying to get all of my week's messages in order before I start anything too daunting!
Know, I am saying you should make original things, not just Strike-Blasts with the appropriate increment/decremental tokens in each.
How formulaic is that?
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LieutenantEagle
Posts: 953
Member #27
Sep 12, 2004 14:36
Okay then, for something original:
DeityDescent: Summon Light Spirit Power Focus Guard Ward Haste
CutterFrenzy: Dance Song Strike Power Break Haste
FlameOfAnor: Song Light Fire Spirit Blast Focus Disrupt Haste
Again, I'm not sure these will do exactly what I think they will.
LieutenantEagle
* uses the technique Heal * Ain't that like bipping a flitch? If you know what I mean.
So...when is there going to be a super cool element combining list that is multiple dimensions? I might be upgrading from Rain sometime soon, I'm not sure. I am certain I want to make EARTH ELEMENTAL BLAST>all elements+blast(duh)Just cuz, you know.
A healing hasting speed dance that does other stuff would be cool too. But I gotta learn song before I get another combine token.
Suckage to me that I have to learn Dance AGAIN.
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MadGoblin
Posts: 1515
Member #2
Sep 12, 2004 20:50
* uses the technique Break on boyachi 's dignity by mocking him mockingly *
Come now, if "Heaven" was all elements except Shadow, why would you think "Earth" (which is already an element in itself) would be all elements combined? And I believe these have already been explained, but I'll sez'em agains:
All Elements - Shadow = Heaven
All Elements - Light = Hell
All Elements - Shadow -Light = World All Elements = Universe
See? I mean, Earth? C'mon! That's one of the basic four! How could you mess that one up? Hrhrh, roffle roffle.
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Ice
Posts: 411
Member #46
Sep 12, 2004 22:06
* mutates a manufacture *
Blizzard increases speed because... I'll have used IceHawk before it, and a bird of ice is going to travel faster in colder weather because it's body temperature is better prepared to fly in those conditions.
Yeah.
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boyachi
Posts: 1161
Member #92
Sep 13, 2004 14:41
* uses the technique Steal on Ice's manufacture * Hey Ice! I stole your man!!! Gwak Gwak Gwak!
Sorry Gobbo, itz just that back in first days of pokemon, I wanted to have a complete elemental move, and I called it Earth Elemental Blast. Now however, since there is an actual earth element, it seems less cool.
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