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Akira

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Oct 22, 2002 22:51
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  Minty.. I'm really really sorry for posting this here, but I need a bit of help. Maybe I should have e-mailed you.. should I have?
  
  Well... you see.. Hoshikuzu(my site, see siggy), has a problem. There's this white strip on the top and left of the actually layout. I want to move the whole layout right up to the top left edge. But I've tried everything, but it's just so damn stubborn! It won't budge! Can you check my code and see what I'm doing wrong?
  
  Thanks for your time... please don't hurt me for... spamming? *hides under a rock*
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MintMan

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Oct 23, 2002 23:57
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  This ain't spammin'. I say anything can be posted here that remotely pertains to The End, and programming has a blutty lot to do with it. Besides R.E. games that have no boards of their own, I can think of nothing else that belongs here other than coding questions, even if HTML.
  
  Anyhow, try blasting both the border and padding CSS attributes to 0pt just like you did to the margin. That'll get rid of the space. So far as up and to the side, it'll adjust to the top automatically, but you'll have to set its individual CSS alignment to the side. The absolute alignment stuff usually gives problems; don't trust it.
  
  Tell me how that works.
Akira

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Oct 24, 2002 20:33
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  ... And how exactly do I do that? Ah... I'm a total baka when it comes to anything harder than the basics of HTML..
  
  Do you mind giving me some codes? Pwease Minty?
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LieutenantEagle

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Oct 24, 2002 21:51
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  I might be able to handle this. MintMan, you can go eat your virtual pie while I ponder over this.
  
  However, Akira, I shall need your exact page's address so that I will be able to view the source code, so that I will be able to see what's wrong.
  
  By the way - did you use PageBuilder to do that stuff?
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MintMan

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Oct 25, 2002 14:25
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  Whoops. I thought since you had other Cascading Sytle Sheet stuff on that page that you'd know how to do stuff like that.
  
  Much like you have your BODY in your STYLE tag set with attribute margin: 0px or margin-width: 0px, set padding: 0px; border: 0px.
  As for the alignment of it all, I can't remember exactly, but I think you have to set text-align: left in your BODY set of attributes in your CSS. You might also be able to explicitly declare your IFRAME's alignment on the page with the simple addition of align="left" inside of its HTML tag.
Akira

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Oct 25, 2002 16:44
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  Ahhhh... I did what you told me to.. (me thinks) .. but it doesn't seem to be working. u.u
  
  I duplicated my page and added the stuffies here:
  
  http://www.geocities.com/hoshikuzu002/hiya.html
  
  ... And it doesn't look like it wants to co-operate with me. -___-;
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LieutenantEagle

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Oct 25, 2002 19:03
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  Ummm...Akira?
  
  Do you mean the VERY thin strip that runs across the top of the page? If that's the case, then that's weird, because all of your border etcetra commands are set to 0. I've checked your code. Maybe I didn't notice it.
  
  If it's like a large, highly noticeable strip, then it surely doesn't appear on my monitor. I would guess that the problem is with your monitor rather than your website. What size monitor do you have anyway? I mean, not all of your links are visible on my computer (the gym link does not show up in the links square at all, but you told me that it's there).
  
  Sorry that I can't be of more use than this...I'll keep trying to figure it out.
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Akira

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Oct 26, 2002 13:14
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  Yeah, I do mean the very very thin strips of white at the top and left.
  
  Moniter size? Do you mean resolution? My resolution is set at 800 X 600.
  
  Yeah.. you've e-mailed me about that Gym link before.. it seems to appear for everyone else though..
  
  Auggh.. my layout is so damn stubborn. >_< Thanks LE and Minty for trying to help me.. Anyone else got any other suggestions?
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MintMan

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Oct 26, 2002 20:47
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  Um, I just actually looked at your entire page. Have you seen how your thing even begins?
  
  <TITLE>Hoshikuzu</TITLE><BODY text-align: left bgcolor=white scroll="no" topmargin="0" marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" bottommargin="0" leftmargin="0" rightmargin="0"><base target="iframe"><! --
  body {margin: 0pt; text-align: left background-color: #FFFFFF}
  -->
  </style>
  
  Point one to notice: you don't ever begin an HTML tag.
  Second point: you don't have a HEAD tag to contain your TITLE.
  Three: All that stuff in your BODY tag has to be set in your STYLE tag, not your tag. You're trying to use CSS, after all.
  Four: Yo don't even declare a STYLE tag. You end it, but you never begin it, oddly enough. So, I suggest making your page looking, you know, normal, like so:
  
  <html>
  <head>
  <TITLE>Hoshikuzu</TITLE>
  <style type="text/css">
  <! --
  BODY {margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; text-align: left; background-color: #FFFFFF;}
  -->
  </style>
  </head>
  <BODY scroll="no">
  <base target="iframe">
  
  [Editted by MintMan on Oct 27, 2002 1:59]
Evenfall

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Oct 27, 2002 7:55
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  Hmmm... CSS. I haven't converted from pure HTML yet. I still use FONT COLOR="whatever" occassionally (the FONT tag is deprecated, so you know), but the rest of my tags are still up to date. Heck, CSS just integrates itself in pure HTML anyway, so what's the point other than to make the page look pretty?
  
  Even when W3C declares sole-use HTML obsolete, I'll still use it. So please wake me when the crusades and revolutions hit supporting the use of CSS so I can go back to sleep. *grins*
  
  Anywho, considering the white gaps at the top, left, and right... since you're using a 800x600 setting on your monitor, and I'm using a 1024x768 setting on my monitor, that might explain things. People who are in the minority of bigger monitor settings have to deal with clipped margins when dealing with smaller set pages.
  
  I'm also thinking that there might be a default setting for some background or frames tag, or maybe even the blog code itself, that may cause it to shift a little. I noticed you've got it set to center. Perhaps justify might work? I was thinking also perhaps extending any width tags you have and aligning left could work as well.
  
  Of course, don't mind me if that's the text you've got centered and not the blog. My brain's fried, so I'll get back to you later if need be.
  
  And for heaven's sake, declare HTML and close all tags! *grins*
  
  
  [Editted by Evenfall on Oct 27, 2002 13:59]
Akira

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Oct 27, 2002 9:45
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  Well.. I did what you told me to do.. and the gaps widened. ;; See for yourself!
  
  And Evenfall... I didn't get a thing you said..
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MintMan

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Oct 27, 2002 12:47
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  Wow, shoot however taught you to code, Akira.
  
  See those floating style sheet attributes you have in your tables? Like padding: 0px and whatnot? Pretty much anything with a colon to set its value... yeah, those need to be in a STYLE attribute inside the tag, like style="padding: 0px;".
  
  Anywho, I finally got a chance to go to my campus computer lab, and boy howdy, let me tell you that your code was screwed up! Did you know that you had two tables -- one inside the other -- for no reason at all? I guess I should have made it clearer that one was supposed to be a replacement of the other.
  You also had those near-invisible spacers at the top of your page set at a height of one pixel. That was a problem. I moved them to the bottom and made them TD's instead.
  
  You can find a completely fixed version of your page at my college site which I often use to test out things. Images don't work, but the sizes are there. No matter what, a minute white strip showed up at the top. I found that you could rid of this by setting absolute alignment on the top to negative one, but that actually truncates a bit of the pictures off
  If you don't want truncation, just remove all the positiony stuff from the first TABLE tag.
Akira

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Oct 27, 2002 19:59
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  It works! Yay yay yay! ^-^ Thank you so much!
  
  You can shoot Angelfire. And plus, I never learned anything but the basics of HTML.. no CSS what-so-ever. The stuff you find on my site was cheaply ripped off HTML Help sites..
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