Oh, now how cute is this? *grumbles* I was wondering why Pyrus was beating the living crap out of Fallen. I'm not sure when this little stat error occurred for Pyrus, but could you look into it, MintMan? Preferably before Fallen gets slaughtered?
Well this is just wrong. Remember a while back when Camo did that really stupid thing? I don't know if it was posted at the forums or not, but time was, you could abuse the boost system traumatically by clicking the back button and re-applying for the boosts (there was a security in place, but it apparently failed to work for the almighty back button )
Anywho, Camo had a lot of boost, but nothing compared to what I'm seeing in Cheet. Camo boosted stupid categories like Strength. Nidhogg's don't need that when they have Shadow Burner! I went easy on him for that, but what Cheet is doing is unforgivable. I thought I had a new protection to prevent such a thing, but recently, Evenfall, when I changed the boost script to accomodate the new creatures, I must have also went around testing some other flaws out of it and in turn made the safety fail. It is odd, too, since I thought I had test it when NightChild hit level ten.
Either way, the script clearly states "You are entitled to X more boosts." Back or not, boosting over that is clearly illegal. I mean, you can hit back for a lot of the R.E. games but it doesn't mean you should resubmit the form.
Don't worry, Evenfall. I avenged you.
And I think I know just the way to give him some payback, too
[Editted by MintMan on Nov 19, 2002 20:01]
Evenfall
Posts: 89
Member #32
Nov 19, 2002 15:49
Are you sure there isn't something up with the coding, some odd unseen glitch? Something similar to when Fallen was dropped to base stats after I boosted? I don't think anyone could have raised all their stats so quickly without someone catching them beforehand. It would've taken hours.
Perhaps something in accomodating for the newest familiars might glitch for recent creatures hitting level 10. Perhaps in fixing the new creature boosts, something happened to give an insane stat increase to all creatures newly reaching level 10.
Could you possibly create a dummy account and bring the familiar up to level 10 just to make sure? I'd hate for Cheetarius to come under fire for something he didn't do. I'm under the impression he's a trustworthy guy.
Gotta love that divine intervention retribution sequence though. That's priceless. *chuckles* Anyway, I want to make absolutely sure that the coding is perfect before making accusations. With all this new stuff coming in to BD, it's hard to tell what the code's going to do to wreak havoc.
Cheetarius
Posts: 353
Member #10
Nov 19, 2002 16:25
Library computer fiendishness strikes again!
I think I know what happened. The computer connection here is a state server, so it's really slow. I had tried to get my second health boost for Lev 10, but the thing wouldn't work. So I tried the others. Reason stands that the page loads were going halfway through, and then I mucked them up by clicking again. I'm not sure if this is it or not, but apologies to Kero anyhow. I'm gonna restart my account. If not for this danged library messup, my rec would beat Kero's.- Cheetarius Gryffith, Saphire Leader
[Editted by Cheetarius on Nov 19, 2002 23:50]
MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
Nov 20, 2002 13:57
Not after challenging Fallen it wouldn't have. A level ten dragon versus a very strong horse two levels above it? If it weren't for your boosts, you'd be deader than dead.
No, there is no glitch, Even. The big thing is that this effort seems almost orchistrated. The creature was boosted just enough times to get one hundred points in every category (twenty to thirty boosts).
Thing is, this would quite literally take hours of clicking back and forth and checking. I'm not quite sure what the Hel did it, but comparing all things, I doubt it'd be to Cheet's awareness. It almost seems as though someone gained access to Cheet's account (perhaps by cookie). There are no other ways to modify stats, and there are especially no other ways in which one may modify boosts save by that page.
Most ponderous indeed...
SailorSassyStar
Posts: 419
Member #19
Nov 20, 2002 17:37
Hey Cheet, you got your boost to level 10 after you clobbered me, right? Artimis was beaten pretty bad, so stupid question. You can't level up in mid battle. I'm just kinda upset because I don't have anybody to challenge now, but I guess it is probably for my own good. I have more than enough loses as it is. MM, I was wondering if you think it would be a good idea for me to restart my account because of stats and such. I've been thinking about doing it for a while, but just don't know if I should or not. I can't make decisions for crap and I know that once Artimis is gone it's forever.If there is something wrong, it's probably my fault. *SailorSassyStar* PurpleStarPink My new site which is under major construction VanillaFudge
Evenfall
Posts: 89
Member #32
Nov 20, 2002 22:02
This is probably a little too late seeing that Cheetarius has cleared his account, but notice how Pyrus's Magic has been raised a little over the others? If my guesses are correct, Cheetarius made his original boost and his second boost in Magic. At least it seems that way...
How would I know this? Remember how Fallen was shot back to "base stats" after his level 10 boost? You and I both realized Fallen was stripped down to creature default stats, not his true first stats. This is what I mean:
I saved these warped stats along with my battle archive. Notice my boosts in Agility and Health? Agility was my first boost, Health was my second. Afterward, you made the code modifications to accomodate the creatures which weren't covered by the old boosting codes (Monoceros, Basilisk, and Tatzelwurm) and life was good. Now take another look at Pyrus:
Looking a little familiar? Am I correct in assuming that 100 is highest stat default just like 20 is lowest stat default? 400 is highest Health default and 100 is lowest Health default? 300 is highest Magic default and 80 is lowest Magic default?
Could there possibly have been some odd code glitch that occured when the newest creatures were added to the boost list? Maybe some value that was set for 4 (Nidhogg, Hrimfaxi, Jabberwock, and Kamataichi) that wasn't changed to 7 (Monoceros, Basilisk, and Tatzelwurm)? Or something else that could've accounted for a switch of extremes?
I noticed Zaheera's Sapphire is the only other creature to hit level 10 since this oddity, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she's used her boost. MintMan, if you could check out her account and see if she's boosted, I'd really appreciate it.
If there isn't a coding error, the only other thing I can think of is that someone at the library must have accessed the temporary files folder and messed up the cookies. Yet it doesn't make sense that nothing else was touched. If someone could access and alter cookies, couldn't they go further?
SSS, be cautious in clearing your account. Starting over from scratch is an extreme pain, even with a powerful new familiar like Fallen. I got ticked off because my Nidhogg Eden lost a lot of battles, and so I reset my account.
I sometimes regret being so shallow and victory-obsessed. Fallen's lost quite a few times (by FoxMcBlur mostly), but I've learned to keep going. Artimis is very close to becoming a Colt, and once you hit that stage, no Nidhogg can touch you. At least that what I've seen from NightChild.
Win a lot of battles, find opponants with insanely low Virtue when you finally get Maniac, and pretty soon that loss ratio won't really seem like such a big deal. It'll even itself out.
Until then, just be patient for those new familiars and let people come to VanillaFudge. You don't know how nice site hits are when you're waiting for an opponant to come near your level. Speaking of waiting, I wish some level 12 Nidhoog would fight Fallen *nudges writer77*.
[Editted by Evenfall on Nov 21, 2002 4:14]
MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
Nov 21, 2002 14:17
I think I have Writer under challenge right now. You're right, tho'. No 'Hogg can touch the Hrim'. It is near unpossible! Bwa-hahahahahahaha -- er, um... still fight me, Writer.
It really isn't wise for a Nidhogg to be fighting any horse, really. Its Bite just is not enough to do any real damage. Once Burner is acquired, it's a different story, 'specially for Hrimfaxi who is very prone to its Dark powers. I do not believe any Hrim' has ever challenged a Nid' with Shadow Burner/Blast (since the highest one ever is currently held by myself ), and not even I would know where the power lies. It would truly be anyone's game.
And Evenfall, your insights and copious records are intriguing and scary, but those are not the case. What happened to Fallen did so because when the script looked for Monoceros stats, it pulled back all tens (By BD default, every creature's base stats have ten added to them. Originally, the level one creature's stats dwelled dangerously close to zero, and since stats could so easily double another, the game seemed over-powered. Thus, ten was added to every creature's base to lessen this gap.). These tens yield a twenty at level ten.
What happened to Cheet's file, however, was a series of boosts. Boosts are stored as seperate data pieces. Although implemented into the stats of a creature, they are also held in different variables for recalling. When I looked at these numbers, usually zeros and the occassional one, they were all two-digit. The script itself lacks the ability to increase more than any one boost by more than one per running. Thus, it needed to be run multiple times.
I did put a security in place for this, but as far as I can tell, when I was fixing the boost script for newer, unimplemented creatures, I moved a protocol which I though needless in one area for some reason which apparently was very key in checking whether or not a creature should be entitled to more boosts. It buggered out, but is now fixed, and all is well again.
Cheetarius
Posts: 353
Member #10
Nov 21, 2002 16:56
I have no idea what you guys meant by all that, but I've started making sure I close the windows when I get off up here. I'm just stopping in to ask if there's an alternative to using the Training game...I'm having problems with it, because the power meter always goes up to fast. I got a headache first three tries...x.x- Cheetarius Gryffith, Saphire Leader
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when our cause is just,
and this be our motto:
"In God we trust."
SailorSassyStar
Posts: 419
Member #19
Nov 21, 2002 17:20
Thanks Evenfall. I really need that. I guess I just need to be more patient. You said that site boost really help, but I can't imagine why anybody would go to my site without me first telling them to. I should really get working on it, but school is just to big of an obsticle. Only 200 something experience to go! *dizziness* Stupid overly strong new glass are making my head hurt. No more reading stuff on the computer tonight. If there is something wrong, it's probably my fault. *SailorSassyStar* PurpleStarPink My new site which is under major construction VanillaFudge
MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
Nov 23, 2002 14:39
Ah, yes, the Training Game -- the only link back to the original Adoption Center game in an almost unaltered form. That thing is going away soon.
I think you might be able to train in the RPG by casting the unmastered spell. However, you have to save it in a certain fashion or it will not work (I think selecting it from the combo box saves it).
I'm pretty sure you can still train with that. Yeah, the Training Game goes really fast on some compies, and I do not know why. It should not. I mean, I have it on a timer, and milliseconds are milliseconds are milliseconds, right? Well, apparently not.
Yeah, I've wanted to replace with, you know, a fun mini-game or something, but I no matter what will have the MUD-lyke use-it-learn-it system. I want to extend it to actual Web Battles, too, for those people who never seem to train.
Dragon_Knight
Posts: 88
Member #49
Nov 25, 2002 2:49
The training game is annoying, and I loved the times when I used it on my old computer. The bar ran pretty slow, so it would take an idiot to not get powered up everytime.This is Dragon_Knight, gym leader of the DarkShadow Gym Visit the site to get a DarkShadow Badge!
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LieutenantEagle
Posts: 953
Member #27
Dec 5, 2002 19:57
Ummmm.......MintMan?
What's up with you challenging me after changing all Hrimfaxis to Ice?
I'm dumb, but not that dumb. Now Fallen on the other hand....ahhh that guy is like LV99 by now.LieutenantEagle
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Evenfall
Posts: 89
Member #32
Dec 6, 2002 10:10
Anyone that MintMan challenges should run for the hills. It's only obvious that he'll win. *chuckles*
I wish! Fallen is still lounging at level 12, around the same level as the rest of you. I don't rely on site hits, I rely solely on battles (which is the situation most of you are facing, I'm sure). I suppose Fallen's reputation carries around though, since no one has challenged him in a while.
I have a funny feeling Fallen's going to be targetted by Minty and NightChild soon if I don't get his little hind end up to level 13. I just hope that's Feral state. NC's curative spell is kind of scary. *imagines MoonBeam "critical hits" that cause full healing*
Cheetarius
Posts: 353
Member #10
Dec 6, 2002 15:47
Ugh, that would be kinda scary. I'm hanging around Level 2, since I got a new computer. I'm hoping it'll do the training game right, but I don't have Internet for it, yet. My mom's working on getting DSL, but she has to pay off my ex-step-dad's phone bill first. I'm sending this from the library, for those of you who're curious. BTW! I ran into Unix. He's been going to Laman library, which is in NLR, instead of Sanders, which is here in Sherwood. I got to talk to him, and he'll probably be coming over to Sanders. I might be able to get him back in R.E., and it'll be good to see him.- Cheetarius Gryffith, Saphire Leader
Then conquer we must,
when our cause is just,
and this be our motto:
"In God we trust."
MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
Dec 7, 2002 16:49
*me is regretting making the Nidhogg smiley for that is all anyone ever uses anymore*
Well, not Sx3. She uses Hrim in every post.
Actually, Eagle, Hrimfaxi has always been ice. Well, not the DewDrop. It simply turns into an Equine-Ice-Light monster in its final incarnations. Apparently, tho', I had an error that did others. I was wondering why you actually accepted my battle, before that error was fixed. I thought that you had forgotten that Hrim wielded the Ice elemental.
Its not biggy, tho'. NightChild may not have had elemental ice, but its attack, Frost Mane, still was, and that is really all that mattered (since your Kama lacked Wind attacks).
Sorry, Evenfall, but I just went to level thirteen. Looks like I'm not going to be able to fight you just yet. I've been waiting for a good day when I would be able to ensure a lot of hits to help secure my victory (against a Monoceros, I know not what the results would be). I'll have to wait for you to catch up before the battle can begin. I'd hate to rise all the way to the final form without fighting the number three creature at least once.
SailorSassyStar
Posts: 419
Member #19
Dec 7, 2002 19:23
That's me! Well, nobody else was using the Hrimfaxi, and it looked so lonely. I didn't want you to have made it for nothing. Nobody has used the poliwrath yet...that I know of, that is. I wish that I could just catch up to you in level, at least a little bit. It's been over a month and I haven't gotten that many site exp points or any battles. Maybe since I've added my beautiful art section I'll get more visits! I can dream, can't I? *remembers LE* I never said that. If there is something wrong, it's probably my fault. *SailorSassyStar* PurpleStarPink My new site which is under major construction VanillaFudge
Camo
Posts: 1609
Member #5
Dec 19, 2002 6:54
You shouldn't up a Hoggs Strength? What stat should ya boost, I think strength and speed is all I ever chose, let me guess, speed is the second worst thing to add to?
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MintMan
Posts: 4061
Member #1
Dec 20, 2002 23:54
Strength isn't a bad thing to boost. When 'Hogg has Bite and Bounce (or before either), Strength is the dragon's best friend. However, once it gets Shadow Burner and physical attacks are rarely used, Strength almost becomes inferiorated.
Luckily for you, Speed is perhaps the best thing for a Nidhogg to be boosted in. Nidhogg lacks defensive capability, especially in the magic field. It has tons of destructive power, so it needs to kill before it is. Speed is the best way to solve this.
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stupid question. You can't level up in mid battle. 
I'm just kinda upset because I don't have anybody to challenge now, but I guess it is probably for my own good. I have more than enough loses as it is. MM, I was wondering if you think it would be a good idea for me to restart my account because of stats and such. I've been thinking about doing it for a while, but just don't know if I should or not. 
I can't make decisions for crap and I know that once Artimis is gone it's forever.
), and not even I would know where the power lies. It would truly be anyone's game.
It's been over a month and I haven't gotten that many site exp points or any battles. Maybe since I've added my beautiful art section I'll get more visits!