You should be proud that I called your creature Aramis. Don't you know who Aramis is? One of the three musketeers. I thought I already apologized for whatever I said.
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Back to BD: The Kamaitachi has no magic attack, right? If yes, ignore this post. If no, then why does it need arcane?LieutenantEagle
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Ash10
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Aug 29, 2002 8:17
Another bd question... Why is it so easy to win? Look at this battle log:
Grasspoke casts ShadowBurner. Ripper Nomercy is wounded by the spell. Ripper Nomercy casts SwiftWing. Ripper Nomercy has its Speed increased. Grasspoke casts ShadowBurner. Ripper Nomercy is wounded by the spell. Grasspoke wins!
I won in like 2 turns....
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[Editted by Ash10 on Aug 29, 2002 13:24]
LieutenantEagle
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Aug 29, 2002 12:41
My public apology I apologize to the Forum and the members Therein for my unnecessary spamming. I misunderstood SSS's words, which resulted in a terrible disaster.
Quote: "Hey I can wish."
...In which I understood 'wish' the wrong way. I understand my fault. MintMan, you may now pronounce my penalty.LieutenantEagle
Gandalf: The Eagles have come! The Eagles have come!
LieutenantEagle: I know. They're in front of you.
EDIT: Btw MintMan, Camo has 347 posts while I have 46. +300, that's still less. Oh, and yes - I don't care if you pronounce my penalty to fight Entropy, but I will complete the penalty on my word of honor.
[Editted by LieutenantEagle on Aug 29, 2002 17:46]
MintMan
Posts: 4061
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Aug 29, 2002 13:55
Yeah, Camo has more posts, but he's been around a Hel of a lot longer than you two. And Camo is an incessant spammer. At a time, I was deleting 80% of his posts until I told him to finally cut it out. He has his moments nowadays, but he is much better than he used to be.
Um, I don't know what SSS is talkin' about. All I said was to stop over-spamming but... oh well.
Back to BD. It's not easy to win; Nidhogg's are just easy to kill when you're a Nidhogg. Your battle may be short, Ash, but not everyone's are. Just look at Nidhoggs Arcane and Virtue and ShadowBurner's strength. As you can tell, Nidhogg has the lowest Virtue yet and the highest Arcane possible. Thus, it does not take much to take another of his kind down when using appropriate attacks. Camo made the mistake of thinking that SwiftWing would aid him in getting in some hits, but he can't get in hits if he won't live long enough to use them! Against a high Virtue Hrimfaxi, such a strategy might have been prudent.
Kamaitachi actually does have a magic attack now. I think it's WhirlWind. It confuses people.
In either case, Arcane does more than magical damage. If it didn't, it would be quite useless and unbalanced game play. Arcane also effects how fast you train and how long status conditions last on you (shortens negative effects and increases positive ones). It does not prevent them from happening; that's what Virtue also helps in on. Arcane just makes them go away.
Lastly, a creatures' stats are made on how the creature is in mythology; it doesn't matter how it could help its game play. The Kamaitachi is a wiley and sneaky creature, knocking down the innocent and gashin' them up good. I think it has low arcane, but not exceptionally low.
I think it was Evenfall who said about the rock-paper-scissors of the BD. Hrimfaxi beats Nidhogg, Monoceros beats Hrimfaxi, Nidhogg beats Monoceros.
Where do Basilisk and Kamaitachi fit into all this?
Oh, also. I want to make a StarCraft UMS (Use Map Settings) game that is similar to a BD. Before I do that, thoughk, I will need MintMan's written agreement on letting me use something similar to BD. MintMan?LieutenantEagle
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Evenfall
Posts: 89
Member #32
Sep 2, 2002 17:13
Oh, I highly doubt that's how it works, otherwise all Hrimfaxis would always be beating the crap out of unsuspcting Nidhoggs and the list goes on (level and other stats in consideration of course). I've noticed that most of Fallen's opponants have had low defense and high virtue, which hasn't helped them against the Horn duo/trio.
Since there aren't any Avian based familiars yet (Serpentine), the Nidhogg and Monocerous might be more susceptible to the poison attacks of the Basilisk. Kamaitachi and Hrimfaxi, being so swift, are able to get more turns against the Basilisk and thus have an advantage.
Kamaitachi are really quick little guys with low strength and hopefully mid-high defense. Their later form looks rather nasty in attacks, but until they hit their weasel form (or acquire Gash?), they have Nidhoggs and Basilisks to train on...
The rock-paper-scissors idea comes from the Pokemon essential theme (unless you have a superpowered Fire type with the right TMs, which in my experience, can beat almost anything). Fire beats grass, grass beats water, water beats fire (until you get a supercharged Level 100 Ninetales against a wimpy Azumarill or Politoed! Mwahahahahaha!)
MadGoblin
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Sep 4, 2002 12:54
On Sep 2, 2002 22:14, Evenfall said:
Kamaitachi are really quick little guys with low strength and hopefully mid-high defense.
Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha- no. The 'Itachi's have got no defense what-so-ever. In fact, Kamai' are the most pathetic, scrawny, and (in my opinion) worst monster in the game. All of its strengths are pumped out of the vital categories (Life, Defense, Virtue) and pumped into the reflex categories (Speed, Agility). That, coupled with low strength and a primary attack that is physical, makes its a marshmellow when compared to powerhouses like 'Hogg and 'Ceroes. BUt, of course, this obviously isn't true since one happens to be ranked (and only that) as the most powerful creature presently in the game.
So, what am I saying? ... I don't remember.Lair of Mad Goblin - Home Lost Soul, a far from average Pocket Monster Fanatic Fiction, and my personal brand of home grown insanity...
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MintMan
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Sep 4, 2002 15:56
There is absolutely no rock-paper-scissor typeness in BD whatsoever. I don't know who thought that up, but it is wrong.
There will be more of a rock-paper-scissor-esque effect once I get damaging phenotypes in. Dragon takes out Bestial, Bestial dominates Serpentine, Serpentine eats Avian, Avian destroys Equine, and Equine slays Dragon.
And although it isn't too much effect as there are so little elementals in BD, Fire melts Ice, Ice stops Wind, Wind beats Earth, Earth stomps Lightning, Lightning fries Water, and Water extinguishes Fire.
Then you get Light, Dark, Poison, Spectral, and the such. They are just quasi-elements which I don't think work into any particular pattern; they just have a bunch of their own internal damages.
Fire types... strong? Where do you play? Water and Ground (Earthquake) are some of the most popular elements; I'd just like to see your Ninetales tango with an intelligent player. Low special attack makes those oh-so-strong Fire TMs a near futility. I'd think Ninetales more of a tactical Pokemon with its Confuse Ray, and you'd have to give it some sort of atrition-fighting style to increase its worth over the power-hitting Magmar. Two hits takes it out, sure, but it can really lay a whallop on its exit. Sure, Ninetales is useful, but not ultimate like you're trying to make it out to be.
.... we are talking about fighting other people and not in-game play, right, because then a level 100 anything could easily win.
Where was I? Oh yeah, what-kills-what. Here is how I'd break it down as things currently stand.
Nidhogg can take out other Nidhoggs, Jabberwocks, Basilisks, and Monoceroses if it has ShadowBurner/Blast. It can kill a Kamaitachi, but if it misses, it's screwed. The Egg form can handle Monoceroses and other Nidhogg's, but anything with a Magic-based attack slaughters it, as goes for really any of its forms.
Hrimfaxi is a risk-taker. It can truthfully kill any big-hitter if it can get it to use its spells on itself. Monoceros poses a slight problem, as it is pretty defensive and strong, but anything with low Virtue falls relatively easily to a Hrimfaxi.
Monoceros can stomp the low-defense creatures like Kamaitachi and Hrimfaxi, but Eggs present its biggest threat. After everythings all grown up, its only real problem is missing a Kamaitachi.
Basilisks are the best at taking out other eggs; get 'em poisoned, and peck away life until the thing's dead. Like Nidhogg, anything with a magical attack poses a serious problem. It fairs well against Kamaitachis, too, because all it needs to do is poison it and half the battle is one; it can't dodge what's coursin' through its veins!
Kamaitachi, I believe, Gobbo truly underrates. I've seen this thing act three times before it's opponent throws a hit; weak or not, it can get a lot in, thusly making up for its shortcoming in a big way. It's primary advantage is agility, which is a sort of gamble. This could make it the best creature or the worst creature depending on the turn of things.
Evenfall
Posts: 89
Member #32
Sep 5, 2002 6:21
MadGoblin, I fear Kamaitachis more than anything else now. Hrimfaxis I can Horn to death. Nidhogg eggs I can Bray and Horn (and hope). Kamaitachis have the potential for those nasty triple-streak attacks (it'll be a nightmare with triple Gash) and first strike. In fact, in my last battle with Dias-X, if the last of his attack trio hadn't missed Fallen, I would've lost. Which is why I almost had a heart attack when I went up to face Mayonaka. I swore she'd triple Crit me and I'd never have a chance to attack.
MintMan, I saw the beginnings of a rock-paper-scissors formation, but I must have stretched my initial theory a little far.
Ah, Avian will take out Equine (a bird pecking a horse to death?). Can't say I look forward to the day, but hopefully there's a strategy that'll overtake the birds... Maybe an alliance with a Basilisk. *shrugs* Or maybe lowering the opponant's attack, raising speed or virtue, and a lot of prayer in the offense.
I know it's not ultimate. That's just me acting like an immature know-it-all idiot (like that's anything new). *shrugs* I just like Ninetales, since the kitsune in its pure, unaltered form is my absolute favorite mythological creature. Vulpix and Ninetales are roughly based on the kitsune legend. Frankly, Ninetales has never steered me wrong, but that's probably only because I've ensured with special items that my nine-tailed fire vulpine is a attack/special attack/speed powerhouse.
I'm still a very immature videogame player, but I'd much rather write my future novel than study the fine art of roleplay battle tactics and such. I know it takes a lot away from the game, but my philosophy is use whatever works. I prefer taking out an opponant as quick as possible before they have a chance to use their status altering powers. I always get slaughtered at some point (every solely offensive player does), so everyone feel free to bash Fallen until he well... falls.
Nidhogg is a Dark/Dragon based familiar. Wouldn't ShadowBurner/Blast be uneffective against another Dark related creature?
MadGoblin
Posts: 1515
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Sep 5, 2002 8:24
I might be able to fill a few o' dem Q's.
Avian overpowers Equine for two reasons. 1) Griffins and horses are dire enemies. They swoop done from the sky and kill 'em. 2) Horses are, above all other phenos, the species least able to strike above itself. All other creatures could fair well against an aerial strike, but a horse? What's it gonna do? Stand up on its hind legs and flail wildly in the air for a short time in one direction while its air-born opponent easily manuevers around it for a deadly blow that it can't avoid 'cuz it's still kickin' its little legs around in the air? * inhales deeply *
Nid' weak to fellow 'hoggs? While it doesn't seem likely, here's the reasons why: 1) Type effectiveness doesn't exist yet, so a dark on dark attack is still the same as any other. 2) Even with a damage reduction, its magical attacks are so powerful and its magical defense are sooo low, it would still wind up dealing more damage than most could dish out to it.
Evenfall
Posts: 89
Member #32
Sep 5, 2002 10:21
Ah, Griffins/Griffons/Gryphons/etc. I was thinking a flock of pigeons or something trying to peck my Monocerous to death. *laughs* I definitely see the disadvantages though... I'm with Camo, I need a Basilisk as a second familiar.
Ah yes, and speaking of a Monocerous's main problem (or anything's main problem) missing a Kamaitachi...
FoxMcBlur attacks. Fallen is wounded by the attack. FoxMcBlur casts Gash. Fallen is wounded by the attack. Fallen casts Horn. The attack misses FoxMcBlur. FoxMcBlur casts Gash. Fallen is wounded by the attack.
See, Goblin, Kamaitachis aren't as bad as one may think. Especially with a level advantage (Fallen's level 5, Fox is level 6) and that freaking Gash attack. I would extend my congratulations to Eagle, but it ain't over yet.
Edit: And so it is over... Man, that's just fate being cruel. Those are the two Horns that win my every battle, but I guess you can't rely on such an unreliable combat tactic. Anyway, nice battle, Eagle, I suppose we're even now. For everyone who wanted to see Fallen go down, here's the moment. Celebrate or something. *shrugs and laughs*
FoxMcBlur attacks. Fallen is wounded by the attack. FoxMcBlur casts Gash. Fallen is wounded by the attack. Fallen casts Horn. The attack misses FoxMcBlur. FoxMcBlur casts Gash. Fallen is wounded by the attack. Fallen casts Horn. The attack misses FoxMcBlur. FoxMcBlur casts Gash. Fallen is wounded by the attack. FoxMcBlur wins!
Eagle, I want a rematch. Now it's 2 out of 3, best familiar stands at the end. *devious grin* Fallen and I'll be waiting.
[Editted by Evenfall on Sep 5, 2002 20:47]
MintMan
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Sep 6, 2002 21:32
Entropy is Level 41
Let's see, there were six days left in August when this post was made, and now we are six days into September.
My site must be experiencing a resurgance of hits with the new G/S R.E. League in the new school year or something because I don't remember lev-uping like this in a long time.
LieutenantEagle
Posts: 953
Member #27
Sep 6, 2002 21:50
Hahahahahahahahahahaha....ha ha...ha ha...ha...ha...I WIN AGAIN!!! Dang, I lost that battle log. I get a challenge every day now! Thanks Evenfall, I'm now on the first ranking page! I only need like 80 more EXP and I'm Level 7. Hmm...obviously my EXP is not coming from my website, is it?
To tell you the truth, I underrate the Nidhogg and overrate the Hrimfaxi, when in reality it's supposed to be the other way around. I believe[d] that Nidhoggs are helpless, weak, and well-defended eggs that were not a major threat...I was wrong. I also believe[d] that Hrimfaxis are powerful, dominating creatures with a confusion attack and magic attack together so early in the game. I was wrong...in fact, it seems that FoxMcBlur was actually immune to the confusion attacks! Serious, Valeheart's Hrimfaxi cast MoonStruck, and then it said, "FoxMcBlur becomes confused." But on the next turn, it did not say "FoxMcBlur is confused." Are Kamaitachis immune, or is it the Arcane/Virtue level?
And one last question to MintMan: Are the names Wisdom and Holiness good substitutes for Arcane and Virtue? Just asking for my own sake.
Wisdom = magic strength
Holiness = magic defense
P.S. So I couldn't keep up with my pledge. I just simply can't stay silenced for one entire week.LieutenantEagle
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MintMan
Posts: 4061
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Sep 7, 2002 14:23
Man do you got it screwed up!
Wisdom magic attack? I have never seen a game make Wisdom soley the magic attack category (I've seen it denote all of the magical sphere, but never split in that direction). Why? Because part of Wisdom is Willpower, and Will is the classical defense against magic.
Then Holiness? That is really nudging a creature in one direction. Virtue not only sounds better than Holiness, but Holy is summed up in the Light element.
Arcane, too, is superior to Wisdom because Arcane is knowledge of dark secretive things. It also has an aura of evil lurking about it, but not so strong a conotation that our little friend Hrimfaxi couldn't be wielding some.
Then Virtue, too, has ambiguous meaning. It could mean uprightness or -- as you suggested -- a sort of holiness, but also simply courage or purity to fend of the usually dark forces of sorcery and magic.
Also, in an RPG sense, Wisdom is seen as the good force of magic (Black Magi use Intelligence and Clerics use Wisdom to derive their magic skills). Wisdom and Holiness would therefore be too closely related.
Trust me; I chose them the was I did for a good reason.
And now to Kamaitachi: no, it is not immune to Confusion. Look at any confusion spell: "X Power Confusion Spell." See that power rating? It doesn't do damage; that is the rate at which it can confuse. It does not always confuse the enemy; that would be rather stupid. Instead, those spells have a chance of effecting the enemy based on their power.
Now that I look at the explaination for stats, I see that I never explicitly mention Arcane and Virtue's involvement in status afflictions. Arcane raises the chance that your supplemental spells will effect the enemy (that is stated in the FAQ file), but I failed to mention that Virtue reduces the chance of your own creature being effected (that could be implied, however).
LieutenantEagle
Posts: 953
Member #27
Sep 10, 2002 22:42
Thanks for those tips on Wisdom/Holiness vs. Arcane/Virtue, and also the Kamaitachi. Then, hmm...oh wait we agreed never to speak of my secret creation again. Nevermind.
And Fallen, Fallen, Fallen...why did you beat me!??? I'm rank 25 again! Oh well, I have a level up in 3 exp, unless Hoshikuzu accepts my challenge quickly.LieutenantEagle
Gandalf: The Eagles have come! The Eagles have come!
LieutenantEagle: I know. They're in front of you.
Ninetales tango with an intelligent player. Low special attack makes those oh-so-strong Fire TMs a near futility. I'd think Ninetales more of a tactical Pokemon with its Confuse Ray, and you'd have to give it some sort of atrition-fighting style to increase its worth over the power-hitting Magmar. Two hits takes it out, sure, but it can really lay a whallop on its exit. Sure, Ninetales is useful, but not ultimate like you're trying to make it out to be.
